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first IKEA in Canada

Hello. I came across your viewpoint re. the first IKEA in Canada having been in Richmond, BC. Others wrote that the first was actually in Dartmouth, NS. They were correct. Very recent confirmation of this is found in the Halifax Chronicle Herald, Saturday, January 23, 2016 pp B1 and B2. IKEA is returning to Dartmouth (now a community of the Halifax Regional Municipality) in 2017. Honour647 (talk) 23:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Honour647. I'm glad that a reference was found. Sunray (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Argument from Authority

I've left a message at Requests for Mediation. The second party to that pending case has filed a lengthy WP:ANI complaint. I would think that can be taken as meaning that they decline to take part in mediation, but I don't know. I also think that this is a conduct dispute, because either the second party's very long complaint is correct, in which case the first party is guilty of various sorts of conduct issues, or the second party's complaint is mostly unfounded, in which case their own conduct is a conduct issue. Just my opinion. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Robert. I read over the DRN case and noted your remarks there. I've also reviewed the complaint at ANI. I've told the participants that I will review the matter. I'm inclined to agree with you about the conduct issues. However, I also hear a request from some of the parties to consider the content aspects. I'm not at all sure that this will be possible; we shall see. Sunray (talk) 02:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I had thought that you were referring to the initial ANI complaint. I'm clear now. BTW a diff to your remarks at ANI would have been helpful. 😅 Sunray (talk) 07:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I see that the RFM has been blanked pending resolution of the current ANI complaint. The filing party at ANI seems not to understand that they can't request formal mediation and request admin intervention at the same time. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:16, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Ghouta mediation

Re: [1] Here you changed the signature of my statement so that it looks like it was written by Kudzu1. Why did you do that? I made that statement ref. diff. Erlbaeko (talk) 22:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

My apologies. It was transcription error. I've fixed it. Sunray (talk) 03:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Erlbaeko (talk) 06:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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By the way, who are you, and what gives you the authority to speak on Wikipedia 'policies'? Who is in control of Wikipedia 'policies'? HAND T A Francis (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm an editor of Wikipedia, which gives me the right to comment on Wikipedia policies. I've been editing here for more than a decade, so I know the policies fairly well. The policies were developed collectively by thousands of editors. No one individual or group is in control of them. Changes are made through discussions on a particular policy's talk page—for changes specific to that policy—or on in various common forums, for new policies. My observation is that Wikipedia policies usually work very well as a guide to dealing with issues related to either content in articles, or the behavior of editors. Sunray (talk) 20:51, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Mayflower Arkansas page

Hi Sunray, I see you have raised some of the same issues I have with the 2013 Mayflower oil spill page. Can I get your support on the Talk page for suggested changes, to clarify the important distinctions between "Oil" and Dilbit? I'd appreciate it! Thanks :) --Bill Huston ^(talk) 00:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've replied to you on the talk page. While I agree with the points you have raised, I'm afraid that you will find that you are out gunned on this matter. I tried to raise the very points you have on the Oil sands talk page (see Talk:Oil sands/Archive 3). More recently User:Petrarchan47 has taken up the cause. But s/he, like me ran smack into the problem of usage. If you look carefully through WP policies you will find that naming of articles depends heavily on usage. Sunray (talk) 01:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Close Ghouta chemical attack mediation

Thanks for your work. I think we can close the mediation now. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 23:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the mediation should be closed. I've been away, but will close in the next day or two. Sunray (talk) 19:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Review/assessment for Downtown Eastside article

Hi Sunray,

I'm reaching out to still-active editors who have contributed to the Downtown Eastside article, and you're one of the very few people on that list. I'd like to get this article through to Featured Article status, and would like to get input from other editors. There has been very little discussion on this article since I started working on it. I've requested assessment for A-class status at Wikproject Vancouver and Wikiproject Canada. Any feedback, thoughts, or advice you might have would be very welcome. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:41, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know Clayoquot. I will take a look at the article. Sunray (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 02:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Clayoquot, I think that the DTES article will need a lot of work to get it to A-Class or FA status. The first thing that strikes me is that the article doesn't clearly delineate the boundaries of the DTES. While it talks about the "Greater DTES," much of the commentary focuses on the much more restrictive definition used by Scout Magazine of the skid row area bounded by Carrell, Pender, Jackson and Cordova. Which brings me to sources. Scout is a good source for some issues (local culture, social issues), but it isn't a reliable source for demographics or statistics. I think that a good article (GA status might be a good target to aim for first, btw) would discuss the various approaches to boundaries and would have a much more extensive discussion of demographics. There will be a problem of size. At more than 90K in size, the article is already fairly large. That suggests some tight editing to get it to GA, or higher, classification. If you like, I could make more extensive comments on the article talk page and we could get going on it. Sunray (talk) 20:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this! Yes, if you could comment further on the article talk page, that would be great. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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I am working on a PSA regarding our future without renewable energy for my class and would like permission to use your photograph (EPAoilspillsubdivision2.JPG).

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.149.67.246 (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, that photo isn't mine. It is in the public domain as it was taken by a member of the Environmental Protection Agency in the course of their duties. You can use it under the fair use doctrine. In fact, you could use almost any image for educational purposes. Here's a definition of fair use: "(in US copyright law) the doctrine that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder." Good luck! Sunray (talk) 09:06, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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Copyright problem on Site C dam

Material you included in the above article back in June 2016 appears to have been copied from the copyright web pages http://commonsensecanadian.ca/VIDEO-detail/landowners-launch-site-c-dam-court-challenge-first-nations-next/. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what led you to conclude that I added that material. As I was cleaning up the article and removing copyright violations, it seems highly unlikely that I was responsible for that copyright violation. What led you to that conclusion? Sunray (talk) 04:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Content you added in this edit of June 27, 2016 appears to have been copied from this page. The content was very closely paraphrased; your addition was almost identical to the source. I found the copyright violation in June 2017, when copyvio added by a different person was detected and removed.— Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 07:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I cannot see the material added in that edit; it has since been hard deleted. You use the term "paraphrased." Paraphrases are legal. But it is hard to know what you mean when you say "closely paraphrased." I was an editor by profession (not just on Wikipedia), so I understand the ground rules for paraphrasing. That said, I do make mistakes. I would be interested to see the actual text that was removed to compare with the source. Sunray (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Stewardship definition

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I'm afraid I can't take any credit for adding that material. The editor who added it was Aquaterra and he is no longer editing the wiki. The original addition is here. It is credited to the "Stewardship in Action" program of Fisheries and Oceans, Canada. Sunray (talk) 03:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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After mediation, sentence was resolved. Subsequently someone edited it. How best to undo?

Hi Sunray. In 2009 you successfully mediated an editing dispute that I participated in (thank you). The result was this sentence in the article Rick Warren:

Two weeks before the 2008 U.S. general election, Warren issued a statement to his congregation endorsing California Proposition 8, which would amend the California Constitution to say "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California," thereby eliminating the right of same-sex couples to marry.

The inclusion of the final ten words in that sentence was at the heart of the dispute; my recollection is that editors who fought their inclusion were concerned less with serving the reader's understanding of the subject than with casting the subject in a positive light.

Occasionally I peek at the article to see whether our hard-won compromise has survived; today I discovered that it has not. A couple of years ago, an unsigned user deleted those ten words with the following explanation: "(→‎Political and social views: Removed "right to marry" phrase in paragraph on Prop 8)" (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rick_Warren&oldid=671347987)

I don't have much experience with un-doing the work of other editors, and no experience with doing so when another editor has (presumably inadvertently) overruled the result of a mediation. I would like to restore the sentence to the version that resulted from the mediation, but I dearly wish to avoid another protracted negotiation. So I thought I'd seek your guidance. Shall I simply click "undo" next to that edit? How can I phrase a friendly explanation that I'm restoring the sentence to a version that resulted from a mediation? Would it be helpful for me to provide a link to an archive of the mediation? And if so, where can I find that archive?

Thank you!

Benccc (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Sunray, I went ahead and edited the article to restore the portion that had been deleted, and I left a brief explanation. If you know how to find/view the mediation for the Rick Warren article for which you were the mediator, please let me know. Thanks. Benccc (talk) 22:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for the delay in responding. I think you've taken the right course of action. Let me know if anyone disputes your restoration of that text. The archive of the mediation is here. The discussion of Proposition 8 is in a sub-archive (#7). Sunray (talk) 11:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Benccc (talk) 19:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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I am making a Mediation Committee proposal for Wikipedia.pt, may you help me based on the practice of wikipedia.en, would it be possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felipe da Fonseca (talk • contribs) 21:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

How could I assist you? Sunray (talk) 22:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Dead link to Earlham College consensus source

Hi User:Sunray. I'm taking a look at the references for Consensus decision-making and notice that you added a reference to Earlham College's consensus process, adapted from Quaker practice, some years ago. Sadly, that link is broken now, and I can't find the source on Wayback or anywhere else. Should I simply delete the reference? Best, Douginamug (talk) 23:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Please disregard original post. After some further effort, I did manage to find a Wayback archive, and added it. Nothing to do! Douginamug (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that Douginamug. I had been meaning to do that. I was sorry that the College didn't continue that program. One of the profs had collaborated with me in writing parts of the article. Sunray (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your note. I'm unclear on the reasons behind your revert. Here's why I removed that term in my first edit:

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with a worldwide readership. In the other English-speaking democracies, and Europe the term "liberal" has a different meaning than it does in many parts of the U.S. Where I live, "liberal" implies a centrist politics, which usually translates to a centre-right government that is invariably neoliberal. Maddow, herself, is likely well aware of this, having obtained her PhD from Oxford.

The first reference is an opinion piece. In the second reference she refers herself as "a liberal," but qualifies that as being "... in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform." That is a nuanced view, worth mentioning in the article. I don't see why the label should be included in the lead though, given that the word has very different connotations around the world and has become somewhat loaded with a segment of the U.S. population.

Maddow herself says that she works hard to ensure that her reporting is fact-based. That is apparently more important to her than her political views. Thus, I believe that the liberal tag is misleading. If you disagree could you share your views with me? Sunray (talk) 07:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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  Sunray, if I understand correctly you got hit with an IP autoblock because you opted in to using a VPN that is blocked. You should certainly be able to not use the VPN for editing here. If you have a good reason why you need to use a VPN then yse you can open a ticket using the email at Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption#Used_for_anonymous_proxy_editing. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:10, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

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Question about naming of Catholic Church

Hi Sunray. I just discovered the mediation mentioned in the archives: Talk:Catholic Church/Archive 30#Mediation Outcome. An "explanatory note" is mentioned (Talk:Catholic Church/Archive 30#2. Add new explanatory note), but I can't find it in the article or its talk page. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 22:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

That was a long time ago. It would take me a while to read my way back into that space. There might be a faster way. For instance, if you asked me a question about what your particular interest is. In other words referring to what the explanatory note is about. Would you be able to do that? Sunray (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

My main concern was with whatever happened to it. Was it ever posted, and where? I think it deserves a spot like a permanent FAQ does at the top of the talk page.

The reason I even stumbled on this was my discovery that Roman Catholic Church redirects to Catholic Church, which I consider a travesty. The latter should be the mother article covering the 24 subdivisions of the Catholic Church (Sui iuris), each worthy of its own article. Catholic Church should be the main, mother, article, with Roman Catholic church, Russian Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Church, etc. briefly mentioned in that mother article.

Currently, after the mediation decision, Wikipedia has taken sides with the Pope and the Roman/Latin Catholic church in the centuries-old battle between the different branches of the Catholic Church. We shouldn't take the side of the Pope in Rome, who wants a patent on the term "Catholic Church", yet that is what's happened. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'm pressed for time right now (for the next week). I would like to fix it though. I'm surprised that the article is named "Catholic Church." Was that the conclusion of the mediation?

What you are saying here makes sense to me, but I will have to read over the mediation next week. Sunray (talk) 18:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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